2011 Red Tail Mail Newsletter

COMMEMORATIVE AIR FORCE RED TAIL SQUADRON	FALL 2011
Coordinator's Corner By Bradford Lang Dear Valued Supporter, Greetings! As most of you know, the concept that Don Hinz envisioned for the Red Tail Squadron was two-fold: 1) Restoration of the "C" model Mustang to honor the Tuskegee Airmen and  2) develop a ground support system to complement the aircraft. This was an enormous undertaking, but I'm pleased to report that Part 2 of this initiative was accomplished this summer. The Oshkosh debut of our RISE ABOVE Traveling Exhibit was received with great excitement! This really is a story about teamwork and expending resources in a positive manner to accomplish the mission. The Red Tail Squadron team had worked tirelessly over many years to develop a successful fundraising strategy to twice restore the "C" model Mustang. However, the effort to fund the RISE ABOVE Traveling Exhibit would be just as much of a challenge. Doug Rozendaal led the effort to find a sponsor for the Traveling Exhibit. The Texas Flying Legends Museum made this happen. This led to the construction and delivery of a 53-foot, air-conditioned exhibit just prior to EAA AirVenture in Oshkosh. The RISE ABOVE Traveling Exhibit was essentially untested before Oshkosh. We all wondered: "Would the exhibit work as advertised?" and "Would the public understand its inspirational message?" The answer to both questions was a resounding "Yes!" The inspirational message of rising above life's personal challenges (like the Tuskegee Airmen did) is universal. And the mini-IMAX type movie developed by Adam White of Hemlock Films for the RISE ABOVE Traveling Exhibit accomplishes this by taking you "aboard" for an exciting journey. Along the way you learn a few tidbits about the Tuskegee Airmen and the Commemorative Air Force Red Tail Squadron. The message of "Rising Above" is further reinforced on the outside of the exhibit with images supporting the six values we feel have contributed to the Airmen's success during World War II and in life. These values are: Aim High, Believe In Yourself, Use Your Brain, Be Ready To Go, Never Quit, and Expect to Win. To make this all work, we hired an experienced driving team - Terry and Jeanette Hollis. If and when you see them on the road, say hello. Without this experienced duo, we would have fallen far short of our goal. Terry and Jeanette wear many hats (docents, maintenance, data storage) besides driving the exhibit. They are always on the road and have done an outstanding job! Another addition to the team is Marvona Welsh. Marvona had years of experience with the DAV B-25 team and has done an exceptional job of coordinating the Squadron's Mustang and RISE ABOVE Traveling Exhibit! You can read more about Marvona and the Hollises in this issue's Maximum Lift column. What makes this all work is the "team effort" concept. We are all individuals that have come forward for a common goal: to tell a unique story in an inspirational manner. We're going to have a great fall and next year will be even better! Come join our team - we'd love to have you! Until next time, Keep Your Speed Up –   Bradford Lang, Squadron Leader Please click here to download entire newsletter	In this issue: Coordinator's Corner Maximum Lift: Marvona Welsh & Terry and Jeanette Hollis Fall 2011 Air Show Schedule McGee Enshrined in National Aviation Hall of Fame Name Change ________________________ "Our objective is to carry the lessons and legacy of the Tuskegee Airmen into every classroom in America!" Don Hinz ______________________
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Commemorative Air Force & Texas Flying Legends Museum Join Forces to “Rise Above”

MIDLAND, TEXAS (April 27, 2011) – On Wed., April 27, 2011, the Commemorative Air Force (CAF) and Texas Flying Legends Museum (TFLM) announced a sponsorship agreement that will bring the CAF Red Tail “Rise Above” Mobile Exhibition and Education Tour to reality. The TFLM has committed to donating $1 million to the production of this traveling exhibit.

“The CAF ‘Rise Above’ Mobile Exhibition and Education Tour is an important and exciting step for the Commemorative Air Force and we look forward to educating people of all ages on the historical impact of the Tuskegee Airmen - and all of American Military Aviation - on the freedoms we enjoy today,” said CAF President/CEO Stephan Brown. “The generous support of the Texas Flying Legends Museum will give us the opportunity to share the inspirational story of the Tuskegee Airmen with a new generation, in a powerful presentation. Across the country, this mobile exhibition will share the story of their achievements through overwhelming adversity, to encourage and inspire today’s children to overcome their own challenges in life.”

The CAF, with the support of the TFLM, will bring to fruition the “Rise Above” exhibit that will be housed in a 53-foot mobile exhibition and use the Airmen's story as an inspirational example of how today’s youth might reach beyond their grasp to attain new levels of achievement as the Tuskegee Airmen did in World War II, and "rise above" the challenging circumstances in their lives. 

“It is exciting to see the CAF ‘Rise Above’ Mobile Exhibition become a reality,” said Brad Lang, CAF Red Tail Leader and Pilot, and son of a Tuskegee Airman. “I am proud to be associated with this exhibition which celebrates and honors the difficult path that my father and all Tuskegee Airmen took to fight for their country. This exhibition brings their story to life and gives us a greater opportunity to reach young people at aviation and non-aviation events.”

CAF Red Tail was started in the 1990s as a “project” by a group of volunteer members from the Commemorative Air Force Minnesota Wing.  The group lead by pilot and entrepreneur, Don Hinz, wanted to restore a P-51 that would create interest in the history and legacy of the first black military pilots who flew this type of airplane during World War II, the Tuskegee Airmen.  In 2001, the restoration was completed and Tuskegee Airmen took to the skies, but tragedy struck just three short years later. During a routine fly-by, a catastrophic engine malfunction brought the plane down and Don Hinz, who was at the controls, lost his life. Even as they grieved for their friend and leader, the members of the CAF Red Tail never wavered. The group rallied and with the guidance and leadership of Doug Rozendaal, Hinz’s friend and fellow visionary, they rebuilt the Mustang and now continue their mission to use it as a tool to create interest in the Tuskegee Airmen's story.

"I met Doug Rozendaal on my first trip to go see what turned out to be the museum's first warbird purchase,” said Chris Griffith, president of the Texas Flying Legends Museum.  "That evening…I learned the story of the Red Tail and Don Hinz's vision. Doug's steadfast dedication to the Tuskegee Airmen and his friend's vision of carrying their message forward, combined with our organizations’ common message of inspiration and honor, made this partnership with the CAF something that had to happen. We are thrilled for the youth of America everywhere!"

“Rise Above” will tour the country approximately 40 weeks each year. Tuesday through Thursday each week, it will be at schools and other places where young people congregate. The exhibition will join with the CAF’s P-51C Tuskegee Airmen on weekends at aviation events and other public venues.

The “Rise Above” Tour will bring public awareness of the Tuskegee Airmen by taking their story off the airport to the young people and exposing them to an immersive educational experience. When in “downtown” venues, the exhibition will feature a 30 to 40-minute documentary.  When at public venues the exhibition will feature a shorter five to seven-minute version to accommodate more visitors.

About the Texas Flying Legends Museum: 
Based out of Ellington Field in Houston, Texas, the Texas Flying Legends Museum (TFLM) flies their growing collection each spring to North Dakota, every summer to Maine and back to Houston every fall.  The museum's mission is to acquire the best flying WWII aircraft available today, and campaign these Flying Legends with a message of inspiration and honor. These planes are great representations of the qualities that each member of our U.S. Armed Forces carried with them during a period of time when our country needed them most. The Texas Flying Legends Museum is here to remind our younger generations of these qualities that have been shown throughout our country’s history, and to remind them it is now their time again.  The museum's pristine warbirds provide a sense of inspiration for those who are not aware or involved in the great history of our country, and most importantly honor the many that are.  For more information visit www.flyingfreedom.us.

About the CAF: 
Collecting, restoring and flying vintage historical aircraft for more than half a century, the Commemorative Air Force (CAF) ranks as one of the largest private air forces in the world. The CAF is dedicated to Honoring American Military Aviation through flight, exhibition and remembrance. A non-profit educational association, the CAF has more than 8,000 members and a fleet of 156 airplanes distributed throughout the country to 74 units located in 27 states for care and operation. For more information, visit www.commemorativeairforce.org or call (432) 563-1000.

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Windsor International Air Show Aug 28, 29 & 30

Location: Windsor Airport, Ontario
Admission: FREE for Veterans, $20 for adults, $12 for youth 6-18
Parking: $5 to $20 for the day depending on location.
Value: Very good

There were lots of thundering noise, and lighting quick action in the sky above Windsor over the weekend of August 29-30 courtesy of the Windsor International Air Show. It was a blast to see Capt. Tim ‘Donor’ Woods in the CF-18 rocketing into the sky. The crowd watched the combined precision flying of Capt. Woods as he took the CF18, rolling only a few hundred feet above the tarmac, accompanied by the Hawk One F-86 Sabre and the CT-144 Centennial Tutor in formation. The spectacular flight, celebrating The 100 Years of Flight in Canada. The Canadian Forces had a great presence over the sky at the Windsor air show with the Skyhawks Parachute Team and with the famous Snowbirds.

The Windsor air show has been dormant for several years, and has been started up once again in 2009. The Windsor International Air Show is not to be confused with the Red Bull air races, held too, at Windsor annually. However, Michael Goulian, one of the performing pilots from the Red Bull series of events, who just come back from winning the Red Bull air race at Budapest, did participate in the air show.

The Windsor International air show was a great place to spend some time, to see, and learn about different aircrafts, and it was also a place to honour Canada’s War Veterans.
The directing team of the air show, and their volunteers has to be congratulated for organizing a very good air show, giving their welcome and hospitality to the Kids Kick Cancer on Friday, and recognizing the Veterans throughout the weekend! There were a good selection of static aircraft from the US, representing the USAF and Navy. Such as a rather unique ex Hurricane hunter C-130 Hercules, a KC-135R Tanker, a rarely seen C-2 Greyhound, and (4) four F-15C Strike Eagles, (too bad they did not perform!!). There were the usual no-shows due to maintenance issues or other related difficulties, but even without them, there were about 40-45 aircraft on the tarmac, including the WWII B-25 Mitchell, and a P-51D Mustang. In addition to the static aircraft, one could look at some antique cars, and some WWII vintage armor displayed near the Veterans area. There was also a WWII Avro Lancaster bomber, undergoing restoration on display by the hangar of the Canadian Historical Aircraft Association, along with the de Havilland D.H.98 Mosquito, wooden superstructure. For real historical aircraft buffs, these were planes to see.

The weather, unfortunately, was not cooperating much during the event. On Friday it rained heavily, and the Snowbirds had to cancel their practice due to this. Saturday started off with dark overcast clouds early in the morning, but cleared rather quickly, giving plenty of sunshine. The clouds returned however, and they provided a dramatic and very photogenic background to photograph the aircraft performing in the show. Sunday, it was very dark, chilly and very windy in the morning. Toward noon it started to clear, and the remaining clouds were not as dark, but it was still unseasonably cold, and windy. To photograph the aircraft with a larger lens was a challenge due to the wind shear on the lens. The layout of the show was well laid out, with plenty of flight line view available for the attendees and aspiring photographers. There were adequate food concessions (some from catering trucks) and the sanitation facilities were well spread out.

The performances ranged from very good to excellent. On Sunday the Snowbirds had to switch #3 to #10 just as they were about to take off, which delayed their performance, and cancelled their fly-by with the Hawk One. Despite the delay, their performance dazzled the crowds.

I would like to thank the following people who made me feel welcome and their hospitality was much appreciated: Keith Baxter – Director of Operation, Theresa Baxter – “Chief of Everything,” Bill Reilly – Media Operations, Brad Saunders – Ground Boss, Mike Beale of the Canadian Historical Aircraft Association, Lt. Errol McKenzie, Airport Security and his team. In addition, I wish to thank Capt. Tim Woods and his CF-18 Demo crew, and Capt. Cregg Wiebe, Snowbirds pilot who flew the Golden Centennaires Centennial CT-144 Tutor for their gracious cooperation.


The list of some of some of the performers and static warbirds at the show:

-Snowbirds
-Skyhawks Parachute Team Jump of the Canadian Army
-Golden Centennaires Centennial CT-144 Tutor
-F-86 Hawk One Sabre
-B-25 Mitchell bomber
-P-51D Mustang
-(4) US Air Force F-15 Strike Eagle
-US Air Force KC-135R Stratotanker
-US Air Force Hercules C-130H Hurricane Hunter
-US Navy C-2 Greyhound
-MH-53E Sea Dragon from the US the Airbome Countermeasures Weapons Systems Training School

Over all, the Windsor International Air Show was a very good show. While it was not the biggest air show this year in Canada, it was so far, one of the best, earning them a well deserved 8.75 out 10!